I approve of this sort of question. Every minute that you're spending interacting with the UI is a minute you can't spend interacting with other players. There's generally a minimal amount of UI time that's needed to work with mechanics that are deep enough that they frame interesting and varied player-player interactions, but it's easy to fall into a trap of rewarding "good at using an obtuse UI" and thinking that's "interesting gameplay".

I don't know if you're being ~edgy~ just to be an arse, but it should be fairly obvious that people don't play on test servers like they do on TQ, so testing actual balance for a proposed 350km minimum warp distance would involve scenarios that simply do not happen in normal play on test servers. Even a mass test would produce artificial, broadly meaningless results.

How many roaming gangs are there on test? How many of them actually care about loss enough to play as of it matters when everything costs 1 ISK? Most of the people on the test server are just playing with disposable supers.

For everyone who doesnt get what Greyscale is saying, he's saying this:

Currently probing is a skill that needs practice. This is good as it means there's a reward for being good.

However the reason you need practice is because the UI is difficult to use, and the game mechanics aren't neccessarily easy to understand, so what you're getting good at is simply arranging probes fast using a crap UI. This is bad.

Your probing skills are currently a "single player" experience because whether you're scanning don an enemy fleet or an anomaly on your own the experience is the same: drop probes, arrange in formation, hit scan, narrow probe area, hit scan etc. With enough practice you can do this every time as there's nothing that ever changes. This is bad.

What Greyscale would LIKE to see is a "multiplayer" system where your scanning is a skill that is required to do against other players. For example, what if there was a module you could activate that scrambled scan probe signals? So you could have a player sitting there D-scanning and activating the module when it's needed? Or what if the other fleet could launch "probe blockers" or something similar, and when matched up to your probing pattern blocked your signal? What if probing an enemy fleet was, in itself, a contest with someone in the other fleet? With you desperately trying to catch them off guard and them trying to desperately stop you from getting a warp in?

THAT idea would be really cool, instead of just making it difficult to probe because it takes ages to launch 7 probes and align them optimally without 3 months of non-stop practice.

You know, instead of writing that whole long post, you could have just wrote what you really mean. You're mad because you think you have 'pro skills' and they're becoming obsolete. You can still scan just as easily as you could before, easier, in fact. The fact other players can also scan easily upsets you because you're an elitist. It also upsets you because you can't handle the prospect of more competition. So a simpler summary of your post would be;


It's a pretty poor display. Perhaps you should focus on adapting your playstyle to accommodate the changes, rather than stubbornly trying to prevent the future from happening.

The mechanics are not "obvious" to a lot of people without looking them up, once someone has explained them or you've watched a tutorial yes they are straight forward.

Are you sure about that?

Do you not find it ironic that the premise of your post is that most people are idiots and don't put any effort in and then you pick only 1 singular point I made which wasn't even my main point and then replied to that with a nonsensical point that is totally out of sync with pretty much everyone else in the game and don't even explain your reasoning?

Basically if you want to see the stupid and lazy people ,look in the mirror.

Except none of these points are relevant because they have nothing to do with dealing with a n inefficient UI. You're talking about removing the effort it takes to achieve a goal. This thread is about removing the effort it takes to get something to work the way it's supposed to.

Let me put it another way. When you can achieve a goal with less effort, that means your method is efficient. Efficient means good.

No because that would remove the risk from doing those activities, which would be a violation of a core gameplay concept.

And now we are back at the start of the thread. New scanning mechanisms are possibly too fast, which shifts the risk-reward of the attacker to his advantage. How much "too fast" should be analysed as soon as this hits SiSi as CCP Greyscale mentioned before. Then CCP has to decide if this change in risk is good or bad.

It's not something we can comment on until the changes are in effect and with a change this drastic, it's going to take a while to get it right.

Feel free, the last person who thought he'd be the big man and try to comment on my killboard fits went home with his tail between his legs and looking like an idiot, I'm happy to let you do the same.

Kitchner, dont be so aggressive please. And Vilnius, even if you dont like his fittings, everyone can play eve on his own way (pvp in industrials?). Don't judge him if he hasn't asked for help regarding his fittings.



Interesting indeed. Maybe CCP Greyscale can give us an answer?

Maybe he intended to go for an all-T2 fit and just forgon? You'd be about 2% over at that point.